Comments for Writing Rights http://writingrights.org Centre for Law and Social Justice Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:39:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by leon http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3556 leon Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:39:02 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3556 Zackie, My point exactly. Here you are threatening my with censorship. If you fee you want to delete my posts, I can't stop you, but that that was your knee jerk reaction is disappointing. That said, the point i was making is that you have many of your facts right, but you have many of them wring as well. You points of view are clearly informed by the people you are associting with - dissidents. My suggestion was to spend time with and engage with the people you are villifying in your article to allow you a more balanced view, as your view is currently a fringe left-wing view, which, by definition, makes you an extremeist. This is not meant as an insult, simply a fact... my suggestion was tempered by the agreement that IF you do engage with the more mainstream / centre-right viewpoint, then you have every right to your view, however, until you do this, you are speaking from a point of view of one-sided ignorance. Thats not my opinion, simply fact - not only yu - anyone who speaks without properly engaging those with opposite view points. If you cant see past this fact and are still intent on personalising my comments - which are not personal - then if you feel you need to censor a point of view different from your own...be my guest...that says more about you than me Zackie,

My point exactly. Here you are threatening my with censorship.

If you fee you want to delete my posts, I can’t stop you, but that that was your knee jerk reaction is disappointing.

That said, the point i was making is that you have many of your facts right, but you have many of them wring as well. You points of view are clearly informed by the people you are associting with – dissidents. My suggestion was to spend time with and engage with the people you are villifying in your article to allow you a more balanced view, as your view is currently a fringe left-wing view, which, by definition, makes you an extremeist. This is not meant as an insult, simply a fact…

my suggestion was tempered by the agreement that IF you do engage with the more mainstream / centre-right viewpoint, then you have every right to your view, however, until you do this, you are speaking from a point of view of one-sided ignorance.

Thats not my opinion, simply fact – not only yu – anyone who speaks without properly engaging those with opposite view points.

If you cant see past this fact and are still intent on personalising my comments – which are not personal – then if you feel you need to censor a point of view different from your own…be my guest…that says more about you than me

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Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by Eduard Grebe http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3555 Eduard Grebe Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:44:04 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3555 I am appalled, but not surprised, by the vitriol spewed by apologists for Israel in the comments here. Doing things like accusing Zackie of being a Hamas "member" is so self-evidently absurd that it serves merely to demonstrate the mentality of the poster. I am appalled, but not surprised, by the vitriol spewed by apologists for Israel in the comments here. Doing things like accusing Zackie of being a Hamas “member” is so self-evidently absurd that it serves merely to demonstrate the mentality of the poster.

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Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by Zackie Achmat http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3554 Zackie Achmat Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:27:35 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3554 Confused You raise an important point about borders -- I suggest you read the following books by Tom Segev "<strong>One Palestine, Complete: Jews and Arabs Under the British Mandate</strong>, a New York Times Editor's Choice Best Book (2000) and a recipient of the National Jewish Book Awarad, Segev describes the era of the British Mandate in Palestine (1917–1948). "Segev's history of the social and political background of the Six-Day War, <strong>1967 (2006)</strong>, has been described by the historian Saul Friedlander as "probably the best book on those most fateful days in the history of Israel"." We will separately post on the 1967 borders. Confused

You raise an important point about borders — I suggest you read the following books by Tom Segev

One Palestine, Complete: Jews and Arabs Under the British Mandate, a New York Times Editor’s Choice Best Book (2000) and a recipient of the National Jewish Book Awarad, Segev describes the era of the British Mandate in Palestine (1917–1948).

“Segev’s history of the social and political background of the Six-Day War, 1967 (2006), has been described by the historian Saul Friedlander as “probably the best book on those most fateful days in the history of Israel”.”

We will separately post on the 1967 borders.

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Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by Dan Kamen http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3553 Dan Kamen Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:26:00 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3553 @ Samantha Engaging in a buy-cott of Ahava is a vote for the occupation. This strikes me as an incredibly short-sighted campaign when a level-headed analysis of the current trajectory of the conflict reveals that the ongoing occupation is the single greatest existential threat to the Israeli state. This is Ehud Olmert's own assessment. I am ultimately ambivalent about any kind of ethnic nationalism, and I agree with Nathan’s comment below, but it seems to me that an Ahava buy-cott is a cynical, reactive move that contradicts the basic mission of any reasonable organisation that purports to defend Israel’s identity as a Jewish “democratic” state. Please kindly respond to Open Shuhada Street's arguments in its open letter to the SA Zionist Federation regarding this exact point: "The call for a boycott of Ahava products is necessary to make the occupation unprofitable. These settlements remain because there is not enough incentive for them to be removed. There is no security benefit to the state of Israel whatsoever in having settlements like Mitzpe Shalem and Kalia protruding into the West Bank. On the contrary, the greatest security and existential threat to the state of Israel is the inability to define permanent borders recognised as legitimate by the world. The whole basis for organising the necessary defence of the citizens of the country will be enormously improved when this is done. The SAZF is now calling for people to increase their purchases of Ahava. In other words, the SAZF is devoted to increasing the profitability of the occupation, to defending the use of Occupied Territory in violation of international law, and to entrenching and sustaining Israeli settlements which stand in the way of peace. This exposes the SAZF as an obstacle to peace." (http://openshuhadastreet.org/?p=285) @ Nathan I think it would be quite useful to expand on this post, and I agree with your addition below. For one, it would be nice to have a document at hand to combat the "what aboutery" tactic. (Great term, RS). And I feel that this kind of self-examination is healthy so far as it doesn't become obsessive. It may also help us to cogently articulate the rationale of OSS's campaign to potential activists. Another reason that is only obliquely hinted at above is the manner in which the Israeli occupation becomes the proving ground for juridical excuses for collective punishment. Unlike the government of Iran, which couches its rationales for repression in theological discourse, the IDF and its legal apologists attempt to change the interpretation of international law with regards to proportionality and assassination to defend their actions. This has global consequences. I doubt that the United States' brazen legal defense of extraordinary rendition and drone assassinations would have been so easily swallowed had there not been precedent for similar tactics in the OPT. http://www.haaretz.com/news/lecturers-say-idf-officer-who-justified-gaza-strikes-should-not-teach-law-1.268892 @ Samantha

Engaging in a buy-cott of Ahava is a vote for the occupation. This strikes me as an incredibly short-sighted campaign when a level-headed analysis of the current trajectory of the conflict reveals that the ongoing occupation is the single greatest existential threat to the Israeli state. This is Ehud Olmert’s own assessment. I am ultimately ambivalent about any kind of ethnic nationalism, and I agree with Nathan’s comment below, but it seems to me that an Ahava buy-cott is a cynical, reactive move that contradicts the basic mission of any reasonable organisation that purports to defend Israel’s identity as a Jewish “democratic” state.

Please kindly respond to Open Shuhada Street’s arguments in its open letter to the SA Zionist Federation regarding this exact point:

“The call for a boycott of Ahava products is necessary to make the occupation unprofitable. These settlements remain because there is not enough incentive for them to be removed. There is no security benefit to the state of Israel whatsoever in having settlements like Mitzpe Shalem and Kalia protruding into the West Bank. On the contrary, the greatest security and existential threat to the state of Israel is the inability to define permanent borders recognised as legitimate by the world. The whole basis for organising the necessary defence of the citizens of the country will be enormously improved when this is done.

The SAZF is now calling for people to increase their purchases of Ahava. In other words, the SAZF is devoted to increasing the profitability of the occupation, to defending the use of Occupied Territory in violation of international law, and to entrenching and sustaining Israeli settlements which stand in the way of peace. This exposes the SAZF as an obstacle to peace.”

(http://openshuhadastreet.org/?p=285)

@ Nathan

I think it would be quite useful to expand on this post, and I agree with your addition below. For one, it would be nice to have a document at hand to combat the “what aboutery” tactic. (Great term, RS). And I feel that this kind of self-examination is healthy so far as it doesn’t become obsessive. It may also help us to cogently articulate the rationale of OSS’s campaign to potential activists.

Another reason that is only obliquely hinted at above is the manner in which the Israeli occupation becomes the proving ground for juridical excuses for collective punishment. Unlike the government of Iran, which couches its rationales for repression in theological discourse, the IDF and its legal apologists attempt to change the interpretation of international law with regards to proportionality and assassination to defend their actions. This has global consequences. I doubt that the United States’ brazen legal defense of extraordinary rendition and drone assassinations would have been so easily swallowed had there not been precedent for similar tactics in the OPT.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/lecturers-say-idf-officer-who-justified-gaza-strikes-should-not-teach-law-1.268892

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Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by faizel http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3552 faizel Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:02:31 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3552 And now for the facts: It was never the intention of your group to engage in peaceful and civil discussion. Your group immediately started shouting racist, bigoted and homophobic comments at the OSS protesters. “You blacks don’t know what you are doing.” “Take your gays back to Palestine.” "Shame on you". Strangely, this was only reserved for Jews amongst the protesters. No member of OSS would ever shout “Viva Hamas”, “Hamastan” or "Go f...your rabbis". This is a deliberate lie on your part or it was shouted by a bystander. I had apologists for Israeli human rights hurl abuse at me on the street. Does that mean I can hold your group accountable for their aggressive and abusive comments and behaviour? You seem to indicate that you know best for what is good for the Palestinians and therefore everyone else should not have a point of view on the current peace talks. Israeli human rights abuses continue on a daily basis. The occupation and theft of Palestinian land by illegal Settlers continue even while Israel pretends to talk about peace. Palestinians are treated like animals by the Israeli occupiers whom you hold in such high regard. I suggest you read a bit more about the conflict in Israel and not just pro-Israeli lies and propaganda. Zackie or OSS do not need to try and "cover up" anything because it was your group that behaved appallingly that day. You should be ashamed to associate yourself with a group that hurls racist, bigoted and homophobic abuse. Buy as many Ahava product as you want. Continue being a supporter of human rights abuses. It might make you beautiful on the outside, but it cannot do anything for the racist dislike you obviously hold for Palestinians on the inside. And now for the facts:
It was never the intention of your group to engage in peaceful and civil discussion. Your group immediately started shouting racist, bigoted and homophobic comments at the OSS protesters.
“You blacks don’t know what you are doing.”
“Take your gays back to Palestine.”
“Shame on you”. Strangely, this was only reserved for Jews amongst the protesters.

No member of OSS would ever shout “Viva Hamas”, “Hamastan” or “Go f…your rabbis”. This is a deliberate lie on your part or it was shouted by a bystander. I had apologists for Israeli human rights hurl abuse at me on the street. Does that mean I can hold your group accountable for their aggressive and abusive comments and behaviour?

You seem to indicate that you know best for what is good for the Palestinians and therefore everyone else should not have a point of view on the current peace talks. Israeli human rights abuses continue on a daily basis. The occupation and theft of Palestinian land by illegal Settlers continue even while Israel pretends to talk about peace. Palestinians are treated like animals by the Israeli occupiers whom you hold in such high regard. I suggest you read a bit more about the conflict in Israel and not just pro-Israeli lies and propaganda.

Zackie or OSS do not need to try and “cover up” anything because it was your group that behaved appallingly that day. You should be ashamed to associate yourself with a group that hurls racist, bigoted and homophobic abuse. Buy as many Ahava product as you want. Continue being a supporter of human rights abuses. It might make you beautiful on the outside, but it cannot do anything for the racist dislike you obviously hold for Palestinians on the inside.

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Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by faizel http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3551 faizel Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:52:56 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3551 hmmmm I see the expected abusive lies and personal attacks have begun. Decent people who don't support Israeli human rights abuses will continue to raise awareness of the theft of Palestinian land and resources by the racist Israeli state. hmmmm I see the expected abusive lies and personal attacks have begun. Decent people who don’t support Israeli human rights abuses will continue to raise awareness of the theft of Palestinian land and resources by the racist Israeli state.

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Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by Samantha http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3540 Samantha Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:40:14 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3540 FYI: In response to the call by Open Shuhada Street. Org (OSS), Group 18 decided to participate in a Buy-Cott at the Cavendish Square Wellness Warehouse. While we were purchasing Ahava products, a small contingent of OSS members attempted to carry out their protest by taking these products off the shelves, filling their baskets and inconveniencing the staff by having them ring it all up without any intention of buying the products. When this came to the attention of management, one of the OSS members was removed from the store. Some minutes later a far larger contingent of protestors, led by Zackie Achmat and accompanied by members of the press, entered Wellness Warehouse. They proceeded to attempt to remove Ahava products with the intention being to clog the check out counters, disrupt the store’s functioning and in so doing voice their protest. At this point members of group 18 attempted to engage peacefully with Zackie Achmat and other protestors but were immediately insulted, sworn at and treated disrespectfully. Zackie Achmat himself called us F—— Zionists, told us to F—- Off, showed us the finger and told us that as Zionists we were racists and that we had to get out of the store. Even more distressing was one of the supporters who, while shouting “Viva Hamas” and “Hamastan” told us we should go and “F— our Rabbis”. As Jewish activists who had gone to the Wellness Warehouse in the hope of engaging in a peaceful and civil discussion, we were shocked and disappointed by this aggressive, intolerant and bigoted behaviour, specially coming from purported human rights activists. Soon after, management requested that everybody leave the store. Once outside we again attempted to enter into a dialogue with some members of OSS. What became apparent during these discussions was that on many of the key issues OSS members showed not only a distinct lack of knowledge but in some respects, real ignorance of the situation in Israel. Furthermore when we raised the salient point that the Israelis and Palestinians are currently engaged in peace negotiations, OSS members were extremely dismissive of this and challenged the idea that Mahmoud Abbas was a legitimate representative of the Palestinians and therefore had no right to negotiate on their behalf. OSS arrogantly seemed to be saying that they knew better what was good for the Palestinians, than the Palestinians knew for themselves. The arrogance of this position is nothing short of breathtaking and only further demonstrated that instead of being genuinely concerned with peace and reconciliation, they were hell bent on promoting their own misguided and divisive agenda. In a further attempt to distort and manipulate the truth of what occurred, Zackie Achmat has been furiously spreading falsehoods, malicious lies and mendacious allegations. This has been done in an attempt to cover up their appalling behaviour during the protest. We have also recently learned that OSS are continuing to threaten Wellness Warehouse in their attempts to unlawfully force the company to stop stocking Ahava products. In this regard we are urging all Group 18 members to engage in a Buy-Cott campaign by purchasing Ahava products from the Wellness Warehouse. Group 18 FYI:

In response to the call by Open Shuhada Street. Org (OSS), Group 18 decided to participate in a Buy-Cott at the Cavendish Square Wellness Warehouse. While we were purchasing Ahava products, a small contingent of OSS members attempted to carry out their protest by taking these products off the shelves, filling their baskets and inconveniencing the staff by having them ring it all up without any intention of buying the products. When this came to the attention of management, one of the OSS members was removed from the store. Some minutes later a far larger contingent of protestors, led by Zackie Achmat and accompanied by members of the press, entered Wellness Warehouse. They proceeded to attempt to remove Ahava products with the intention being to clog the check out counters, disrupt the store’s functioning and in so doing voice their protest.
At this point members of group 18 attempted to engage peacefully with Zackie Achmat and other protestors but were immediately insulted, sworn at and treated disrespectfully. Zackie Achmat himself called us F—— Zionists, told us to F—- Off, showed us the finger and told us that as Zionists we were racists and that we had to get out of the store.
Even more distressing was one of the supporters who, while shouting “Viva Hamas” and “Hamastan” told us we should go and “F— our Rabbis”.
As Jewish activists who had gone to the Wellness Warehouse in the hope of engaging in a peaceful and civil discussion, we were shocked and disappointed by this aggressive, intolerant and bigoted behaviour, specially coming from purported human rights activists.
Soon after, management requested that everybody leave the store. Once outside we again attempted to enter into a dialogue with some members of OSS. What became apparent during these discussions was that on many of the key issues OSS members showed not only a distinct lack of knowledge but in some respects, real ignorance of the situation in Israel.
Furthermore when we raised the salient point that the Israelis and Palestinians are currently engaged in peace negotiations, OSS members were extremely dismissive of this and challenged the idea that Mahmoud Abbas was a legitimate representative of the Palestinians and therefore had no right to negotiate on their behalf. OSS arrogantly seemed to be saying that they knew better what was good for the Palestinians, than the Palestinians knew for themselves. The arrogance of this position is nothing short of breathtaking and only further demonstrated that instead of being genuinely concerned with peace and reconciliation, they were hell bent on promoting their own misguided and divisive agenda.
In a further attempt to distort and manipulate the truth of what occurred, Zackie Achmat has been furiously spreading falsehoods, malicious lies and mendacious allegations. This has been done in an attempt to cover up their appalling behaviour during the protest.
We have also recently learned that OSS are continuing to threaten Wellness Warehouse in their attempts to unlawfully force the company to stop stocking Ahava products. In this regard we are urging all Group 18 members to engage in a Buy-Cott campaign by purchasing Ahava products from the Wellness Warehouse. Group 18

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Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by Samantha http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3538 Samantha Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:36:50 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3538 <blockquote cite="#commentbody-3537"> <strong><a href="#comment-3537" rel="nofollow">Alex Steinberg</a> :</strong> If someone like Zackie calls himself a Human Rights Activist, then we should not be surprised that Malema calls himself freedom fighter…The 2 of Zackie have little that differentiate them…While both harbors strong hatred, even though at different levels. Someone had posted this earlier and Zackie, who is now known for removing, altering posts, took it off. Zackie succesfully succeeded in converting the young Jews around him into haters: so Sad! I still hope he will come clean about all he said during his last protest at that Shop. He used disturbng words to address Jews, Rabbis…He already admitted to to “remove this crazy Zionist”. But if he does not hate Israel and Jews, why such a choice of words? what is the unstated meaning he attaches to such calling? and Why? and Why after he addmitted so openly none of his Acolytes such as Nathan and others did not call on him to apologise for such public expression of hatred? Is this an illustration that the Master-Acolytes relationship between them is true? Zackie, your obsession with Israel will not pay off…Not today, not tomorrow, not during our time, and Not at All… Come clean: state your membership to Hamas, that you praised so loudly during that protest… But expect a much larger protest ( non-violent and very civil) if you do not adhere to our demand come 8 october: All Wellness Warehouse employees and families, and others who insulted will come set camps and sing in front of your office until you confess who you are…and you will! Respectfully, Alex </blockquote>

Alex Steinberg :
If someone like Zackie calls himself a Human Rights Activist, then we should not be surprised that Malema calls himself freedom fighter…The 2 of Zackie have little that differentiate them…While both harbors strong hatred, even though at different levels.
Someone had posted this earlier and Zackie, who is now known for removing, altering posts, took it off.
Zackie succesfully succeeded in converting the young Jews around him into haters: so Sad!
I still hope he will come clean about all he said during his last protest at that Shop. He used disturbng words to address Jews, Rabbis…He already admitted to to “remove this crazy Zionist”. But if he does not hate Israel and Jews, why such a choice of words? what is the unstated meaning he attaches to such calling? and Why? and Why after he addmitted so openly none of his Acolytes such as Nathan and others did not call on him to apologise for such public expression of hatred? Is this an illustration that the Master-Acolytes relationship between them is true?
Zackie, your obsession with Israel will not pay off…Not today, not tomorrow, not during our time, and Not at All…
Come clean: state your membership to Hamas, that you praised so loudly during that protest…
But expect a much larger protest ( non-violent and very civil) if you do not adhere to our demand come 8 october: All Wellness Warehouse employees and families, and others who insulted will come set camps and sing in front of your office until you confess who you are…and you will!
Respectfully,
Alex

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Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by Alex Steinberg http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3537 Alex Steinberg Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:33:00 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3537 If someone like Zackie calls himself a Human Rights Activist, then we should not be surprised that Malema calls himself freedom fighter...The 2 of Zackie have little that differentiate them...While both harbors strong hatred, even though at different levels. Someone had posted this earlier and Zackie, who is now known for removing, altering posts, took it off. Zackie succesfully succeeded in converting the young Jews around him into haters: so Sad! I still hope he will come clean about all he said during his last protest at that Shop. He used disturbng words to address Jews, Rabbis...He already admitted to to “remove this crazy Zionist”. But if he does not hate Israel and Jews, why such a choice of words? what is the unstated meaning he attaches to such calling? and Why? and Why after he addmitted so openly none of his Acolytes such as Nathan and others did not call on him to apologise for such public expression of hatred? Is this an illustration that the Master-Acolytes relationship between them is true? Zackie, your obsession with Israel will not pay off...Not today, not tomorrow, not during our time, and Not at All... Come clean: state your membership to Hamas, that you praised so loudly during that protest... But expect a much larger protest ( non-violent and very civil) if you do not adhere to our demand come 8 october: All Wellness Warehouse employees and families, and others who insulted will come set camps and sing in front of your office until you confess who you are...and you will! Respectfully, Alex If someone like Zackie calls himself a Human Rights Activist, then we should not be surprised that Malema calls himself freedom fighter…The 2 of Zackie have little that differentiate them…While both harbors strong hatred, even though at different levels.

Someone had posted this earlier and Zackie, who is now known for removing, altering posts, took it off.

Zackie succesfully succeeded in converting the young Jews around him into haters: so Sad!

I still hope he will come clean about all he said during his last protest at that Shop. He used disturbng words to address Jews, Rabbis…He already admitted to to “remove this crazy Zionist”. But if he does not hate Israel and Jews, why such a choice of words? what is the unstated meaning he attaches to such calling? and Why? and Why after he addmitted so openly none of his Acolytes such as Nathan and others did not call on him to apologise for such public expression of hatred? Is this an illustration that the Master-Acolytes relationship between them is true?

Zackie, your obsession with Israel will not pay off…Not today, not tomorrow, not during our time, and Not at All…

Come clean: state your membership to Hamas, that you praised so loudly during that protest…

But expect a much larger protest ( non-violent and very civil) if you do not adhere to our demand come 8 october: All Wellness Warehouse employees and families, and others who insulted will come set camps and sing in front of your office until you confess who you are…and you will!

Respectfully,

Alex

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Comment on “Zackie why are you so obsessed with Israel and the occupation?” After some consideration, a reply. by confused http://writingrights.org/2010/10/03/zackie-why-are-you-so-obsessed-with-israel-and-the-occupation-after-some-consideration-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-3523 confused Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:58:43 +0000 http://writingrights.org/?p=1435#comment-3523 Sorry I am not saying the taking over the land due to war is correct. I am more concentrating on the state of israel's borders, so please let's not get into that debate. Just the debate on borders and what the arab world would accept, as they didn't accept it in 1948 or pre 1967.... Thanks Sorry I am not saying the taking over the land due to war is correct. I am more concentrating on the state of israel’s borders, so please let’s not get into that debate. Just the debate on borders and what the arab world would accept, as they didn’t accept it in 1948 or pre 1967…. Thanks

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